62. From Bystander to Ally: How to Avoid DEIB Washing

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Today, we’re taking our DEIB conversation to the next level. We’ll explore what it truly means to be an ally, the importance of fostering a sense of belonging, and the pitfalls of DEI washing.Joining us are four incredible experts who will shed light on these crucial topics.

Allyship – Moving Beyond Passive Support

  • Allyship is more than just a buzzword. Our first guest, Shelley O’Connor, LGBTQ+ Co-Chair at The Bank of England, shares insights on what it means to be an ally in 2023 and beyond. We discuss the actions that go beyond passive support and how individuals and organisations can make a real impact.

Belonging – The Heart of DEIB

  • Feeling a sense of belonging is fundamental to DEIB efforts. In this segment, we’re joined by Farhana Kuddus, a global leader in DEI. Together, we delve into why belonging is the heart of DEI and explore the strategies to create inclusive environments where everyone feels valued.

DEI Washing – Recognising and Avoiding the Pitfalls

  • DEI washing is a term that’s been gaining attention. Jessica Schibli, Interim Head of Creative Diversity at the BBC, helps us understand the importance of representation in DEI and the difference between authentic DEI efforts and surface-level actions.

Data-led DEI – Leveraging Insights for Change

  • Data is a powerful tool for DEI initiatives. Kulbir Sergill, Director of Social Inclusion at University of Warwick, shares how organisations can leverage data-driven approaches to make meaningful change.

Culture-led DEI – Nurturing Inclusivity From Within

  • In our final segment, we discuss culture-led DEI with our experts. We explore how organizational culture plays a crucial role in fostering DEI and how leaders can lead by example. Our guests provide actionable tips for creating lasting change.

We hope this episode inspires you to take meaningful actions and embrace DEIB in your personal and professional life.


Connect with Shelley O’Connor from the Bank of England


Connect with Kulbir Sergill from the University of Warwick


Connect with Jessica Schibli from the BBC


Connect with Farhana Kuddus from NASA


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Truth, Lies, and Workplace Culture

Want to create an enviable workplace culture where people and businesses thrive? Look no further than Truth, Lies, and Workplace Culture, the top 20 rated podcast hosted by business psychologist, Leanne Elliott, and business owner, Al Elliott.  With a unique blend of theory and practice, this dynamic duo simplifies the science of people to help business owners and leaders uncover the truth about finding, keeping, and motivating great people. Joined by some of the business world’s most respected and relevant voices, each episode delivers actionable insights and practical steps to create toxic-free workplaces that prioritise employee well-being and enable sustainable growth.  Whether you're a seasoned leader or just starting out, find the knowledge and inspiration you need to build a thriving workplace.  P.S. Did we mention the hosts are also a married couple? This makes for some lively and informative discussions..!

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