Facilitating the New and Teaching the Inexistent with Jason Frasca and Iain Kerr

Workshops.Work · February 21, 2024

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How would you facilitate something that doesn’t exist? Or, more to the point, how you would facilitate a group in a way that something inexistent could emerge?

Complexity and uncertainty make up most days for Jason Frasca and Iain Kerr. As co-founders of Emergent Futures Lab, they wouldn’t have it any other way.

The opportunity to hear from two experts in emergence, innovation, and facilitation felt like an early Christmas present! We explore what it takes to create space for genuine innovation and novelty, why collaboration and creativity are natural partners, and how to take our focus off of ‘ideas’ and onto experimentalism.

Find out about:

  • How facilitators can create a space for emergence, rather than ideas
  • Whether we can teach something that doesn’t yet exist
  • How to integrate provocation and perturbation into your facilitation toolkit
  • Why power structures need to change for novel ideas to emerge
  • How creativity, emergence, and collaboration feed each other
  • How to get comfortable with experimental thinking and step back from our obsession with ‘ideas’

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The world is waking up to the power of facilitation. Whether it's hosting a workshop, holding better meetings, or leading happy and productive teams - we want to make collaboration easy and effective. Dr. Myriam Hadnes is the founder of NeverDoneBefore, a global online facilitation community and festival, and this is her podcast. 'workshops work' is 50% sandbox and 50% classroom, a safe space for anyone interested in facilitation to learn more about the craft. Each week, a professional facilitator, trainer, or coach joins Myriam to discuss their interests and experiences in the world of facilitation. The conversations are open, and honest, and make facilitation understandable and accessible to all.Get practical tips and advice from a raft of experts and uncover the magic ingredients that make workshops work. You can download a free 1-page summary of each episode on https://workshops.work/podcast

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